IMA 2011-015 = karenwebberite
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IMA 2011-015 = karenwebberite
Il nome di questa nuova specie con località tipo italiana è sul web: http://ees.uno.edu/Homepage.html
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Per ulteriori informazioni vedasi: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8166
Marco E. Ciriotti
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MP2 Researchers Honored: http://www.pegmatology.uno.edu/news.html
The MP2 research group in Mineralogy, Pegmatology, and Petrology in EES got some good news recently. Over the summer we learned that Alexander Falster and Karen Webber were honored by having a new mineral named for them in recognition of their contributions to mineralogy and pegmatite research. The names were approved by the International Mineralogical Association’s Commission on New Minerals, Nomenclature and Classification. The specialty of the MP2 group is Pegmatology - the investigation of pegmatites, including their mineralogy, geochemistry and genesis (http://pegmatology.uno.edu/). The new minerals are falsterite and karenwebberite and will be published soon by the research groups that submitted the names for approval.
Falsterite, pictured to the left, is a new secondary phosphate mineral from the Palermo No. 1 pegmatite, North Groton, New Hampshire with the formula: Ca2MgMn2+2Fe2+2Fe3+2Zn4(PO4)8(OH)4(H2O)14. The mineral was described by Tony Kampf, Stuart Mills, William Simmons and James Nizamoff and will be published soon in the American Mineralogist.
Karenwebberite is a new phosphate mineral (no photograph available) with the formula Na(Fe2+,Mn2+)PO4) from the Malpensata dike, Piona pegmatite swarm, Colico, Lecco Province, Lombardy, Italy. The work was done by Pietro Vignola, Frederic Hatert*, Andre-Mathieu Fransolet, Olaf Medenbach, Valeria Diella and Sergio Andò and will be published soon.
Karenwebberite additional information:
IMA No. 2011-015
Karenwebberite
Na(Fe2+,Mn2+)P04
Malpensata dike, Piona pegmatite swarm, Colico, Lecco Province, Lombardy, Italy
(46°07'20"N 9° 19'33"E)
Pietro Vignola, Frederic Hatert*, Andre-Mathieu Fransolet, Olaf Medenbach, Valeria Diella
and Sergio Ando'
*E-mail: fhatert@ulg.ac.be
Triphylite group
Orthorhombic: Pbnm; structure determined
a = 4.882(1), b = 10.387(2), c = 6.091(1) A
4.867(97),4.519(77),3.702(46),3.609(82), 2.880(75), 2.552(100), 2.469(96), 1.817(42)
Type material is deposited in the collections of the Laboratory of Mineralogy, University of
Liege, Belgium, catalogue number 20385
How to cite: Vignola, P., Hatert, F., Fransolet, A.-M., Medenbach, 0., Diella, V, and Ando',
S. (2011) Karenwebberite, IMA 2011-015.
Falsterite additional information:
IMA No. 2011-061
Falsterite
Ca2MgMn2+2Fe2+2 Fe3+2Zl14(P04)s(OH)4(H20)14
Palermo No.1 pegmatite, North Groton, Grafton County, New Hampshire, USA
Anthony R. Kampf", Stuart 1. Mills, William B. Simmons and James W. Nizamoff
*E-mail: akampf@nhm.org
New structure type
Monoclinic: P21/c; structure determined
a = 6.3868(18), b = 21.260(7), c = 15.365(5) A, P= 90.564(6)°
12.865(34),10.675(100),4.834(12),4.043(18), 3.220(25), 3.107(14),2.846(19),1.596(14)
Four cotype specimens are deposited in the collections of the Natural History Museum of Los
Angeles County, Los Angeles, California, USA, catalogue numbers 63565, 63566, 63567
and 63568
How to cite: Kampf, A.R., Mills, S.J., Simmons, W.B. and Nizamoff, J.W. (2011) Falsterite,
IMA 2011-061. CNMNC Newsletter
The MP2 research group in Mineralogy, Pegmatology, and Petrology in EES got some good news recently. Over the summer we learned that Alexander Falster and Karen Webber were honored by having a new mineral named for them in recognition of their contributions to mineralogy and pegmatite research. The names were approved by the International Mineralogical Association’s Commission on New Minerals, Nomenclature and Classification. The specialty of the MP2 group is Pegmatology - the investigation of pegmatites, including their mineralogy, geochemistry and genesis (http://pegmatology.uno.edu/). The new minerals are falsterite and karenwebberite and will be published soon by the research groups that submitted the names for approval.
Falsterite, pictured to the left, is a new secondary phosphate mineral from the Palermo No. 1 pegmatite, North Groton, New Hampshire with the formula: Ca2MgMn2+2Fe2+2Fe3+2Zn4(PO4)8(OH)4(H2O)14. The mineral was described by Tony Kampf, Stuart Mills, William Simmons and James Nizamoff and will be published soon in the American Mineralogist.
Karenwebberite is a new phosphate mineral (no photograph available) with the formula Na(Fe2+,Mn2+)PO4) from the Malpensata dike, Piona pegmatite swarm, Colico, Lecco Province, Lombardy, Italy. The work was done by Pietro Vignola, Frederic Hatert*, Andre-Mathieu Fransolet, Olaf Medenbach, Valeria Diella and Sergio Andò and will be published soon.
Karenwebberite additional information:
IMA No. 2011-015
Karenwebberite
Na(Fe2+,Mn2+)P04
Malpensata dike, Piona pegmatite swarm, Colico, Lecco Province, Lombardy, Italy
(46°07'20"N 9° 19'33"E)
Pietro Vignola, Frederic Hatert*, Andre-Mathieu Fransolet, Olaf Medenbach, Valeria Diella
and Sergio Ando'
*E-mail: fhatert@ulg.ac.be
Triphylite group
Orthorhombic: Pbnm; structure determined
a = 4.882(1), b = 10.387(2), c = 6.091(1) A
4.867(97),4.519(77),3.702(46),3.609(82), 2.880(75), 2.552(100), 2.469(96), 1.817(42)
Type material is deposited in the collections of the Laboratory of Mineralogy, University of
Liege, Belgium, catalogue number 20385
How to cite: Vignola, P., Hatert, F., Fransolet, A.-M., Medenbach, 0., Diella, V, and Ando',
S. (2011) Karenwebberite, IMA 2011-015.
Falsterite additional information:
IMA No. 2011-061
Falsterite
Ca2MgMn2+2Fe2+2 Fe3+2Zl14(P04)s(OH)4(H20)14
Palermo No.1 pegmatite, North Groton, Grafton County, New Hampshire, USA
Anthony R. Kampf", Stuart 1. Mills, William B. Simmons and James W. Nizamoff
*E-mail: akampf@nhm.org
New structure type
Monoclinic: P21/c; structure determined
a = 6.3868(18), b = 21.260(7), c = 15.365(5) A, P= 90.564(6)°
12.865(34),10.675(100),4.834(12),4.043(18), 3.220(25), 3.107(14),2.846(19),1.596(14)
Four cotype specimens are deposited in the collections of the Natural History Museum of Los
Angeles County, Los Angeles, California, USA, catalogue numbers 63565, 63566, 63567
and 63568
How to cite: Kampf, A.R., Mills, S.J., Simmons, W.B. and Nizamoff, J.W. (2011) Falsterite,
IMA 2011-061. CNMNC Newsletter
Marco E. Ciriotti
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Re: IMA 2011-015 = karenwebberite
Sbaglio o è il primo minerale con TL Piona?
Roberto Bracco - AMI Liguria
Perché seguire il calcio, quando accanto c'è lo scandio e poco più in là il vanadio?
Perché seguire il calcio, quando accanto c'è lo scandio e poco più in là il vanadio?
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Non sbagli; è effettivamente il primo minerale con località tipo Piona.Sbaglio o è il primo minerale con TL Piona?
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Re: IMA 2011-015 = karenwebberite
Qualcuno sa come si presenta?
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Ciao Luigi,
come si presenta è intuibile dalle poche informazioni che si hanno: http://ees.uno.edu/Resources_files/Newsletter11.pdf
""Karenwebberite is a new phosphate mineral (no photograph available) with the formula Na(Fe2+,Mn2+)PO4) from the Malpensata dike, Piona pegmatite swarm, Colico, Lecco Province, Lombardy, Italy. The work was done by Pietro Vignola, Frederic Hatert*, Andre-Mathieu Fransolet, Olaf Medenbach, Valeria Diella and Sergio Andò and will be published soon."
Trattandosi di un fosfato del sottogruppo della heterosite: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8432
si presenterà, più o meno, come le specie più prossime, che al sottogruppo appartengono:
- Ferrisicklerite
- Heterosite
- Karenwebberite
- Lithiophilite
- Natrophilite
- Purpurite
- Sicklerite
- Simferite
- Triphylite
come si presenta è intuibile dalle poche informazioni che si hanno: http://ees.uno.edu/Resources_files/Newsletter11.pdf
""Karenwebberite is a new phosphate mineral (no photograph available) with the formula Na(Fe2+,Mn2+)PO4) from the Malpensata dike, Piona pegmatite swarm, Colico, Lecco Province, Lombardy, Italy. The work was done by Pietro Vignola, Frederic Hatert*, Andre-Mathieu Fransolet, Olaf Medenbach, Valeria Diella and Sergio Andò and will be published soon."
Trattandosi di un fosfato del sottogruppo della heterosite: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8432
si presenterà, più o meno, come le specie più prossime, che al sottogruppo appartengono:
- Ferrisicklerite
- Heterosite
- Karenwebberite
- Lithiophilite
- Natrophilite
- Purpurite
- Sicklerite
- Simferite
- Triphylite
Marco E. Ciriotti
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Ciao Marco,
Il fatto che sia un fosfato non idrato mi ha fatto intuire subito che si tratta di un fosfato primario.
il fatto che sia a Piona mi ha fatto intuire subito che si tratta di un minerale massivo.
Dato che ho parecchio materiale con fosfati di Piona raccolti 30 anni fa volevo andare un po' oltre: quello che volevo capire era se è frammisto a graftonite o per conto suo, se aveva un colore particolare (nel gruppo che mi hai ricordato vi sono minerali neri, gialli, rossi, violacei...).
Quello che mi sembra avvicinarsi di più per formula chimica mi sembra la natrophilite che è giallo pallido (io di Piona ho delle masserelle bianco avorio: potrebbe essere quello?).
Non è trapelato nulla in tal senso?
Luigi
Il fatto che sia un fosfato non idrato mi ha fatto intuire subito che si tratta di un fosfato primario.
il fatto che sia a Piona mi ha fatto intuire subito che si tratta di un minerale massivo.
Dato che ho parecchio materiale con fosfati di Piona raccolti 30 anni fa volevo andare un po' oltre: quello che volevo capire era se è frammisto a graftonite o per conto suo, se aveva un colore particolare (nel gruppo che mi hai ricordato vi sono minerali neri, gialli, rossi, violacei...).
Quello che mi sembra avvicinarsi di più per formula chimica mi sembra la natrophilite che è giallo pallido (io di Piona ho delle masserelle bianco avorio: potrebbe essere quello?).
Non è trapelato nulla in tal senso?
Luigi
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Per ora no. Penso che la descrizione-tipo sia in itinere. A breve lo si saprà.(io di Piona ho delle masserelle bianco avorio: potrebbe essere quello?)
Non è trapelato nulla in tal senso?
Potresti anche pensare di contattare Pietro Vignola e portargli a vedere il tuo campione.
Marco E. Ciriotti
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Marco E. Ciriotti ha scritto:Per ora no. Penso che la descrizione-tipo sia in itinere. A breve lo si saprà.(io di Piona ho delle masserelle bianco avorio: potrebbe essere quello?)
Non è trapelato nulla in tal senso?
Potresti anche pensare di contattare Pietro Vignola e portargli a vedere il tuo campione.
Anch'io ho tanto materiale vecchissimo (fine anni '60 fino al '72), con masserelle bianco-avorio madreperlaceo, oppure graftonite-like (alterata in vivianite-like) ma striata e quasi rossa, non salmone, ovvero masserelle verdi-gialline microcristallini neri (tipo rockbridgeite) etc, etc... A che punto siamo? Scusa il disturbo, ciao e grazie.
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Nessuna nuova, al momento.
Tutto questo genere di materiale potrebbe rivelarsi interessante.
Tutto questo genere di materiale potrebbe rivelarsi interessante.
Marco E. Ciriotti
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Di prossima pubblicazione.
Referenza:
▪ Vignola, P., Hatert, F., Fransolet, A.-M., Medenbach, O., Diella, V., Andò, S. (2013): Karenwebberite, Na(Fe 2+,Mn 2+)PO4, a new member of the triphylite group from the Malpensata pegmatite, Lecco Province, Italy. American Mineralogist, 98, (in press).
Referenza:
▪ Vignola, P., Hatert, F., Fransolet, A.-M., Medenbach, O., Diella, V., Andò, S. (2013): Karenwebberite, Na(Fe 2+,Mn 2+)PO4, a new member of the triphylite group from the Malpensata pegmatite, Lecco Province, Italy. American Mineralogist, 98, (in press).
Marco E. Ciriotti
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«Things are interesting only in so far as they relate themselves to other things»
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Referenza:
▪ Vignola, P., Hatert, F., Fransolet, A.-M., Medenbach, O., Diella, V., Andò, S. (2013): Karenwebberite, Na(Fe 2+,Mn 2+)PO4, a new member of the triphylite group from the Malpensata pegmatite, Lecco Province, Italy. American Mineralogist, 98, 767-772.
Abstract:
Karenwebberite, Na(Fe2+,Mn2+)PO4, belongs to the triphylite group of minerals and corresponds to the Fe-equivalent of natrophilite or to the Na-equivalent of triphylite. It occurs in the Malpensata pegmatite dike, Colico, Lecco Province, Italy. Karenwebberite is found as late-magmatic-stage exsolution lamellae up to 100 μm thick, hosted by graftonite and associated with Na-bearing ferrisicklerite and with a heterosite-like phase. Lamellae are pale green, with very pale grayish-green streak. The luster is greasy to vitreous, and lamellae are translucent (pale green) to opaque (dark green). Optically, the mineral is anisotropic, biaxial (+), α = 1.701(2), β = 1.708(2), γ = 1.717(2) (for λ = 589 nm), 2Vmeas = 87(4)°, 2Vcalc = 41°, Z = b. Pleochroism is moderate with X = dark gray, Y = brown, and Z = yellow. The mineral is brittle with a Mohs hardness of 4.5; in thin section it displays a perfect cleavage along {001} with an irregular fracture. Karenwebberite is non-fluorescent either under short-wave or long-wave ultraviolet light, and its calculated density is 3.65 g/cm3. The mean chemical composition, determined by the electron microprobe from 16 point analyses (wt%), is: P2O5 41.12, Fe2O3* 7.00, FeO* 25.82, MgO 0.23, ZnO 0.11, MnO 9.31, CaO 0.10, Na2O 14.66, total 98.41 (*: calculated values). The empirical formula, calculated on the basis of 1 P atom per formula unit from, is (Na0.817Ca0.003□0.180)∑1.000 (Fe2+0.622Mn2+0.228Fe3+0.151Mg0.010Zn0.002)∑1.013PO4. Karenwebberite is orthorhombic, space group Pbnm, a = 4.882(1), b = 10.387(2), c = 6.091(1) Å, V = 308.9(1) Å3, and Z = 4. The mineral possesses the olivine structure, with the M1 octahedra occupied by Na, and the M2 octahedra occupied by Fe and Mn. The eight strongest lines in the X-ray powder pattern are [d in Å (intensities) (hkl)]: 5.16 (50) (020), 4.44 (90) (110), 3.93 (80) (021), 3.56 (90) (120), 3.04 (80) (002), 2.817 (100) (130), 2.559 (100) (131), and 1.657 (50) (061). The mineral is named in honor of Karen Louise Webber, Assistant Professor Research at the Mineralogy, Petrology and Pegmatology Research Group, Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of New Orleans, Louisiana, U.S.A.
▪ Vignola, P., Hatert, F., Fransolet, A.-M., Medenbach, O., Diella, V., Andò, S. (2013): Karenwebberite, Na(Fe 2+,Mn 2+)PO4, a new member of the triphylite group from the Malpensata pegmatite, Lecco Province, Italy. American Mineralogist, 98, 767-772.
Abstract:
Karenwebberite, Na(Fe2+,Mn2+)PO4, belongs to the triphylite group of minerals and corresponds to the Fe-equivalent of natrophilite or to the Na-equivalent of triphylite. It occurs in the Malpensata pegmatite dike, Colico, Lecco Province, Italy. Karenwebberite is found as late-magmatic-stage exsolution lamellae up to 100 μm thick, hosted by graftonite and associated with Na-bearing ferrisicklerite and with a heterosite-like phase. Lamellae are pale green, with very pale grayish-green streak. The luster is greasy to vitreous, and lamellae are translucent (pale green) to opaque (dark green). Optically, the mineral is anisotropic, biaxial (+), α = 1.701(2), β = 1.708(2), γ = 1.717(2) (for λ = 589 nm), 2Vmeas = 87(4)°, 2Vcalc = 41°, Z = b. Pleochroism is moderate with X = dark gray, Y = brown, and Z = yellow. The mineral is brittle with a Mohs hardness of 4.5; in thin section it displays a perfect cleavage along {001} with an irregular fracture. Karenwebberite is non-fluorescent either under short-wave or long-wave ultraviolet light, and its calculated density is 3.65 g/cm3. The mean chemical composition, determined by the electron microprobe from 16 point analyses (wt%), is: P2O5 41.12, Fe2O3* 7.00, FeO* 25.82, MgO 0.23, ZnO 0.11, MnO 9.31, CaO 0.10, Na2O 14.66, total 98.41 (*: calculated values). The empirical formula, calculated on the basis of 1 P atom per formula unit from, is (Na0.817Ca0.003□0.180)∑1.000 (Fe2+0.622Mn2+0.228Fe3+0.151Mg0.010Zn0.002)∑1.013PO4. Karenwebberite is orthorhombic, space group Pbnm, a = 4.882(1), b = 10.387(2), c = 6.091(1) Å, V = 308.9(1) Å3, and Z = 4. The mineral possesses the olivine structure, with the M1 octahedra occupied by Na, and the M2 octahedra occupied by Fe and Mn. The eight strongest lines in the X-ray powder pattern are [d in Å (intensities) (hkl)]: 5.16 (50) (020), 4.44 (90) (110), 3.93 (80) (021), 3.56 (90) (120), 3.04 (80) (002), 2.817 (100) (130), 2.559 (100) (131), and 1.657 (50) (061). The mineral is named in honor of Karen Louise Webber, Assistant Professor Research at the Mineralogy, Petrology and Pegmatology Research Group, Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of New Orleans, Louisiana, U.S.A.
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